Kyle Dubas Director Prime Time Sport and TSN Overdrive On Tuesday evening, Auston Matthews discussed a new five – year, $ 5.71 million contract extension.
Dubas mentions the difficulty of the Cap situation in 2019-20. Why the two sides did not find a solution for eight years, did not really compare to Auston Matthews, and seemed to be able to trade before the deadline of February 25th. .
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Regarding the length and structure of the contract: "I think everyone wanted eight years of trading. We did not find AAV to do our best for the club"
How many discussions and discussions are there in terms of terms between Maple Leafs and Auston's camp? Do you say that one starts with an eight-year framework and then moves on? What is the nature of the negotiation, at least in terms of its characteristics?
Dubas: At the beginning of every discussion, if you are confident about the player and the player is sure about the program that hires him, then everyone will try to make the most of the time together. With all these young athletes in the sport, you can buy a lot of their prime. Unlike older players, players who pay more for many years will usually earn a decline along with a younger player and buy a decimal point to increase AAV. It is a trend and norm for hockey.
When we participated in the discussions, I would like everyone to have an eight-year term, especially Auston and his camp. They wanted to be here for eight people. We could not find an AAV during the time we did our best for the club. It is not very important to Auston or anything else. But it was just a reality. We knew our internal capabilities and what to reach. Then we were looking for a term that would satisfy them at AAV to work for us. That's what we've really used to shrink the last month or months until we reach this point.
Obviously during that time the player's sample size will continue to grow and the performance scale will expand and you will be able to spend more time with others no matter how long. The longer you stay with them, the longer you can be sure about your abilities. He definitely had a great season for us. So we ended the work and were thrilled that the city and the organization kept him here for five and a half years.
It is usually a number. We usually see things with round numbers. You can come up with something that divides the number of years into a whole number and ends with at least zero. How did this become a goofy $ 58.17 million?
Dubas: Yes, I think 34 is Auston 's number. There is an important meaning to him. It was important to their camp. So we just found a way to get it. I understand clearly where the question comes from, but that is the answer.
You have seen everything from a three-year contract to an eight-year contract and you finished at five. Was it where you wanted to be? Or did you have a pre-determined number in your mind? What is your thought process?
DubasWe have not considered a predetermined number of years. We have looked into many contracts in the past and I think many people in recent history have signed eight-year contracts. If you go back 10 years ago and sign up for a contract in Pittsburgh, Chicago or LA, you have a five-year contract, and six people are six. We are not restricted to being an eight-year contract or a one-year contract. We wanted to do more work through the course of Auston and his camp, and we know that we have good talent here and that we know that we have to try everything in pay limitations. I found out what it is. You can keep it together. This term may not always be optimal, and when it says optimally it means the maximum value.
We have a trade-off in that we can not make an eight-year contract, and there is a trade-off in that three years is shorter and AAV is less. I think we were able to make good progress in the last month, particularly in favorable ways, by reaching consensus. How it ended eventually ended where we went, but we did not have a preconceived notion of where it would end in the end.
The signature bonus in this deal is 90%. Of the $ 57.1 million, $ 54.5 million is a bonus. Please tell us why this is useful for Toronto Maple Leaf as well as for others.
Dubas: I think most hired and most people who are hired generally want to have their dollars as soon as possible. We have several advantages to doing so. We have a means to do it. The various contracts we've made allow us to be ahead of our players and save us from other areas, as well as greater flexibility through contracts. It is similar to the way this kind of player comes out of a particularly beginner-level contract or other contract. They are usually structured this way.
Does Auston have a positive or negative tax impact on signing deals that sign heavy bonuses?
Dubas: Well, although I have a personal relationship with Auston, he is an American resident. Scottsdale, a US resident and native of Arizona, is home. There are a variety of ways you can leverage your contract. But that is not something I feel comfortable because I can be a more personal matter for Auston and perhaps a better question raised about his expression when they speak.
You need to know this fact and what it means. In the general sense, do you know that there are significant tax benefits for this kind of transaction on payroll transactions?
Dubas: I think that, especially if you qualify as a resident of a lower jurisdiction, you should be careful regardless of the jurisdiction in which the benefit is to allocate your dollar as much as you can. Of course, Florida residents and residents of Arizona, in fact, anywhere in the US-Canada, must qualify for the taxpayer's expense in the jurisdictional district. At present NHLs like California and New York have some very competitive high-income countries, but in some other states they are well-known for low tax jurisdictions, so maximize the dollar because players and delegates have relatively short salaries and dollars but have a relatively short career.
I think they did a great job. There have been many discussions over the last days and days, but I have worked with representatives as well as financial officers to make sure that Auston is well set up for his retirement as well as in the future.
Matthews's comparison: "There was a center that got a lot of scores, but very few of them scored at the rate Auston had."
How often do you make comparisons when doing such a transaction? The player in the middle and the agent comes in and says, "Well, he's better than this guy, or this guy." Then he goes back and says, "Yeah, but this guy is not as good as someone with this." There is that kind of back and forth. Is Auston's skill and condition a very limited player to compare against?
DubasI think especially about his position as a center. He is a franchise center and scored goals with an elite rating. This is not too common at the center. There have been many centers, but few have scored in Auston's proportions. If he moves on to a robust goal production, he is back on top again, not just in the past. This has made it somewhat difficult. There were not many people there. You are looking at a very high surface of the player and they come from the beginner level almost ten years ago. Few players fit the bill. You put your fingernails in your head. The more players that can be compared in terms of production and status, the easier it will be, and for that really is not the case. You may want to close the deal a bit sooner, but when you work with all the other things discussed above, discussions may take a little longer.
About wearing a hat: "We know our most difficult job next season"
The 14 players who have contracts next year are in total about $ 71 million. The hat will be $ 85 million. How do you put all this in there? You have a plan and a board. Is this about you? You will have to juggle here.
Dubas: I understand your concerns. You finish your research and know what we are in. I talk about this every day and think that I have to go through it every day, really, I've been back for a few years now. "We will be worried when we finish all these contracts." In our prophecy we will begin to have a little breathing room because the next season will be the toughest year and as the salary grows year by year, and other things happen and arise.
I think the pressure to do what you present next year will fill the edge of our list only from me. As I just explained, you need $ 14 million from six bodies to organize a team every night. If we pass through the summer through this next stretch, we will be sure to fill the other RFA and list, and the pressure to make sure we are doing well will fall directly on me.
I know that it will be judged by ourselves and our executives, and that the fans and the media should judge us. I am excited about it. We worked very hard. We will not keep all of our time or time. But I am working in the right direction than I am wrong. Coaches and players. I have done a great job this season and past. Keep your potential constant. That will keep us working.
For five years, $ 11.6 million is meaningful to players all over the world. Take us through its team side. What advantage does Team, this particular agreement have?
Dubas: I think it is an important key for us when considering our situation. I know there have been many other deals with other eight-year contracts. We are at a different stage than the other teams. I do not think I focus too much on what the other team does or how I deal with my contract. It is this that gives Toronto Maple Leaf the best opportunity to succeed and maximize our windows through this young core.
When we passed it and expected where everyone came in, we could see how much money we could put into these players. Pressure falls on you and your management and fills the edges around the core. We worked through it and found a comfortable range to the AAV. Then, at the same time, it was a kind of work and period. That's what happened in five years.
Five years have not been used much late, but the more we return to our aspiring team for about 10 years, the harder it gets going. We are not there yet. So I do not want to put us in the same breath as the team, but it made them work. There was no time limit at all. They contracted in five years, were comfortable with AAV, and given the fact that Auston brought to the table for us in terms of his position and ability to score, we too. It's interesting to us. We expect to finish this work and finish up Auston for at least 5 and a half years.
What did you learn from the William Neylander negotiations that applied to this negotiation?
DubasI think they are very different. right? The Nylander negotiations were accepted when they started work on a very short schedule in May. I was with Marlies, but I had a relationship before, but it's been several years and I can back up again at another step. Together with Auston, I represented Auston in June and there was a discussion with Judd. It was June. It was when I began to speak officially in July. We started that process a long time ago.
Nylander It was not that many cases related to the situation. It was a few months before the season began. If we want to get a handle on how anything flows and flows, we will have two more of these things. It's a good thing we have when dealing with this kind of young players. In fact, I did not want to wait until summer and then wait for an opportunity, but if progress is going on, I want to spend more time focusing now.
In future Mitch Marner's negotiations: "We will only respect him and his wishes, and once that season is over we will reach it"
You mentioned that there is a pretty good ballpark for where the Auston Matthews negotiations take place in the Muzzin negotiations. How does it apply to Mitch Manor? His agent said at this point that Marner's camp was not really interested in the negotiations during the season. Do you have decent read or good quality reading from where you think? What can you tell us about it?
DubasYes, I wish I could give you a definite answer. We respect Darren and his desire to wait until the end of the season. We will do that. It is very clear how we evaluate Mitch. He is a funny guy watching the night and day at night. The amount of joy he brings to the skating rink every day is excellent. He brought leadership to our team that way, he has been one of the top players on the team for a long time and expressed himself in the conversation throughout the NHL this year. He brings a lot to our organization and we are lucky to have him and everyone else. We look forward to finding a way to tie him to our organization when the time comes. They should think that they are comfortable with their personal nature and how they want to handle discussions with an emphasis on hockey.
Mitch Marner's agent said he would not officially negotiate during the season. When players and agents announce such a statement, please sign the player.
Dubas: I think we respect them. I clearly understand why the player, his camp, and his family will choose that option. They want to focus on hockey games and season focus, and Mitch is having a great season. He was a great player for us now for three seasons. As I told you today, his enthusiasm and love for the game, and his love for Maple Leaf, you've seen day by day. We are very lucky to have Mitch.
I think Mitch is continuing to focus on helping him reach his special potential and continue to work with him. It does not affect me every day for me and us. If so, we will discuss it with Mitch and his people. We will respect him and his wishes, and once the season is over we will reach it.
Jake Muzzin acquisition and possible trade activity before closing
I know the number and I have a certainty with Auston, so there is still work to be done. How does this plan affect the deadline?
Dubas: I think I know the extent to which we have to finish in terms of AAV, depending on the years that we have been doing over the last few weeks. When we found out that we made progress with Judd Moldaver, agent of Wasserman's Auston, we were able to find some options. This made Jake Muzzin's deal really comfortable because there was another year when Jake Muzzin signed the deal. We knew what he was doing and knew where Auston came in. There were a few things we needed to finish and work on, but we were able to add Jake to Judd and their camp with a feeling of comfort.
It has been a great help to us and we have talked about before. Just selfishly, it would be a great benefit to our organization if we knew it before. This has been a great help in Muzzin's acquisition. Now, in the next few weeks, we will have a better idea of what we have. We will see that in the next few weeks we will have a hat and improve our team a little bit more.
The acquisition of Jake Muzzin was certainly a big wave around Leafland. He was wonderful last night. Jake Muzzin was the best. Everything is great there right now. Did you stick to the timeline regarding player acquisition? Whether you like something or you like something with the group on the backend, did any of the processes speed up internally?
Dubas: No, after spending some time looking at the team and watching the team, we defended to the area we needed to concentrate on and thought about upgrading if possible if the cost was reasonable. We were familiar with what we were going to be involved in, and even if the player was using the term and was going to stay for just a few months or when the deadline was approaching, in just a few weeks. It was a stimulus to the deal.
We talked to LA about a month ago. Rob and I kept on keeping in touch. Once we knew we were more confident about Auston's situation and headed in that way, we were more confident in our situation and situation with LA and the other teams. The LA guy just came along. We decided to trade as soon as we could, improve the team and take Jake here.
We thought it was important that we get out of the break and give as much time as possible and that our team can have him as much as possible. It just adds value to ours and similar people. They get two views from their system and can roll them.
What percentage of the additional transactions or transactions do you want to apply before February 25?
Dubas: I do not know. We continue to explore everything. It is very difficult to put a percentage on it. Regardless of where we are or where we are, I felt like we were working 100% to trade to improve the team. It was a long shot, and we negotiated.
I have already gotten great help from Jake Muzzin. We will continue to explore all the options that have given us the opportunity to improve our hat space and our team. I do not think we will be constrained to a particular player or position if we feel that we can improve our team and give this group of players and coaches the best opportunity. I think they got it. We will continue to explore and explore it. We are excited about our group and we can expect to continue to be excited about the fact that the players under development and our team's core are almost young.
How can I classify a trade conversation taken up to the deadline? Are you aware of whether you are an active market or a passive market?
DubasThere are many calls. It is very similar to when Lou was here and observed Dave Nonis here. A lot of phones come and go with the team trying to find the way. Many teams who were previously on the outside edge of the playoff race played late. We've made some changes to the dynamic. There was a team that scored strong late and did very well. This has changed things a bit, but there are still many discussions going on. We will continue to participate in discussions.
It was an interesting and interesting process as a younger person. GM learned initially that GM learned from other managers, how they manage their time, how they operate, buy or sell, or keep it intact. It is always fun to hear how they observe it through their process. I look forward to a good learning experience for me and all of us and next week and see how everything is shaking.
Even if this was filed under exploration, did you call Auston or Mitch from another agency this year?
Dubas: No, I just think it's a pure joke. None of the athletes were seriously judged. They just say it is funny and say, "We called Auston Matthews or Mitch Marner." Then say "ha ha." Nothing serious. We look forward to them having them to be lucky and to be lucky enough to be thrilled, they are long, maple leaves for a long time.